Patrick Clawson, Director of Research at Washington Institute Of Near East Policy (WINEP), was in the news last month for suggesting that a false flag attack should be used to incite a war with Iran and now, in a new exclusive interview, he candidly admits to the existence of “shadow wars” in the middle east and acknowledges the deep history of false flag attacks in western military culture.

In his most recent interview, Patrick Clawson was asked about his false flag comments by radio host Bob Tuskin.

He went on to make some very telling comments in reply to the questions.

At one point Tuskin asks “a lot of people are concerned that the other side striking first would be a manufactured incident and…. there is a good percentage of people who have looked at declassified government documents that show that this would be manifested through our own powers that shouldn’t be”.

Clawson responded very carefully but still made a very revealing admission in saying that”

“I understand that during world war 2 there were many people who thought that this was Mr Roosevelt’s war and that the attack on pearl harbor was fomented by Mr Roosevelt, and we know from his memoirs that foreign press of Mr Roosevelt was of that opinion”.

After addressing the history Clawson then dismisses it saying that he doesn’t agree with that perspective and that the attack on pearl harbor was a mere “miscalculation” on the part of the Japanese.

He went on to discuss how he felt that an attack against America from Iran would actually be the preferable route to war with Iran, as if such a thing existed in the first place.

When asked to confirm his off the record comments about the Mossad running covert operations and “shadow wars” in the middle east, Clawson responded by saying:

“So is the United States, the United States has been involved in sabotage of the Iranian program, we have acknowledged that in the court, and that has resulted in a very complicated lawsuit.

The United States has been involved in illegal overflights of Iranian territory with the drones, the United States has been involved in recruiting Iranians who worked for the nuclear program…..so the United States has been involved in a shadow war.”

The conversation then came to an abrupt end when Tuskin asked Clawson to comment on the Mossad agents who were arrested near the George Washington bridge just after the September 11th attacks.

At that point Clawson became noticeably nervous and differed his opinion to the flimsy 911 commission report.

At the beginning of his response, heard at 6:48 in the recording, it seems as if Clawson says that it is “plausible” that the Mossad agents at the George Washington bridge were somehow in the loop with the attacks or planning another one.

Although, on a second listen, it almost seems as if he is saying that this version of events is “implausible”, a statement with the exact opposite implication.

Clawson’s response is mumbled and we at The Intel Hub have played the recording over and over, trying to make out what exactly was said because this very small change in semantics makes a huge difference in the idea that is being put forward and the last thing that we would want to do is misrepresent someones statements.

With that being said, we are putting out the audio, leaving it up to the readers and listeners to decide what was said in this final and very important part of the interview.

WINEP is a “key organization in the Israel lobby” that was founded in 1985 by leading members of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) to “provide a seemingly ‘objective’ research organization to provide consistently ‘pro-Israel’ analysis and commentary,” according to Harvard professor of International Affairs Steven M. Walt.

Former AIPAC staffer MJ Rosenberg was reportedly in the room when WINEP was founded and described the organization as “an AIPAC controlled think-tank that would disseminate the AIPAC line but in a way that would disguise its connections.”