‘US not after democracy in Syria’

According to Syrian media, the anti-government armed groups were “intensifying criminal operations in an attempt to destabilize Syria and torpedo the [Annan] plan.”

Meanwhile, a Turkish politician has warned that NATO should not be offered any role in any effort to end the unrest in Syria, pointing to the Western military alliance’s track record.

In an exclusive interview with Press TV in Ankara on Thursday, Mustafa Kamalak, the leader of Turkey’s Felicity Party, criticized the Turkish government over its allowing the possibility that it might seek NATO’s support in dealing with the unrest in Syria.

The Muslim world should resolve its problems itself,” Kamalak said, warning that any foreign intervention in Syria could lead to a catastrophe similar to what happened in Iraq.

Press TV has conducted an interview with Sami Ramadani, from the London Metropolitan University, to share his opinion on this issue.

The following is a rough transcript of the interview.

Press TV: The fragile ceasefire has held so far, there is relative calm in Syria but let us look at the reactions by the US and the UK. The US says Syria has fallen short of a peace plan despite the ceasefire.

The British Prime Minister David Cameron urged Russia and China to join the world in tightening the noose around Syrian regime. Cameron said Bashar al-Assad’s flouting of the latest peace plan show that further action was needed.

It seems Washington and London are opting for a Libya-like plan and not a peaceful solution to the unrest in Syria. How do you see it?

Ramadani: I think they are not interested in either peace or democracy in the region. I think they were badly shaken by the revolutions in Egypt, Tunisia, Yemen, Bahrain and they want to dictate and dominate the shape of events in the region.

So in Libya they capitalized on the popular demands for democracy and that changed Gaddafi’s dictatorship but they managed and succeeded in diverting the struggle there into their own interest by militarizing the conflict and intervening and practically controlling Libya.
And really Libya now is not really one state. There are hundreds of militias fighting each other in Libya and as long as the oil is flowing and they dominate Libya, then they are happy.

They are not really after democracy and within the Syrian context, they are upset and they are angered by the fact that Syria is not following their lines. They are not really interested in democracy and democratic rights in Syria.

There are opposition forces in Syria. Those who are militarizing the conflict in Syria within the opposition are being encouraged not only by NATO but they are being financed by Saudi Arabia and Qatar–two of the ruthless dictatorships in the region. I mean Saudi regime is one of the most ruthless and dictatorial and suddenly they have become champions of democracy in Syria.

It is laughable but really the Syrian people are paying for all this interference. I think the Syrian people should be left alone to decide their own future.

Obviously they end for democracy, for freedom. They have been engaged in the struggle for many decades but at the same time most Syrian people do not want intervention from NATO countries and do not want meddling by dictators in Saudi Arabia or Qatar.

And you could see that their interest, the United States and Britain and other NATO countries including Turkey as well, they are trying to create a conflict situation in Syria specially a military conflict so that they use it as an excuse to intervene in Syria.

And I think from my own observation of Syria, most Syrian people are opposed to such intervention even there are those in the opposition who call for peaceful demonstration and a dialogue and so on to resolve problems so that they do not allow external powers specially NATO, Saudi and Qatari interference in the affairs of their country.

Because some in the opposition, those who are militarizing it are also using a sectarian political line and they are encouraging divisions within the Syrian people in areas where they were in control in Homes, they were attacking Christian minorities, other sects and so on.

And all this is really a part of an overall approach especially by the United States to try and dominate the region, help Israel and also prepare for possible future attacks against Iran as well in the name of democracy and human rights.

They are really undermining the people’s struggle in the region for democracy, for independence, for control of their own resources and so on.

Press TV: If the approach that you say by the West, Turkey and some Arab countries is that they are not going to back off arming these opposition groups then is what the Russian Foreign Minister say is going to become what is going to unfold in Syria and he says if you arm the opposition to the teeth that there is no way that you can defeat the Syrian army and there is going to be deaths and destructions for years to come?

Ramadani: I think that is correct and that is the tragedy. And that is in fact one of the scenarios that they do not mind–the United States does not mind that-because they either control Syria or destroy it and this is what they are doing.

Similarly in Iraq, after its occupation they could not control it, they destroyed it. They killed over a million Iraqis since they occupied the country in 2003.

You see death and destruction does not worry them. What worries them is, are they in control of a region, of a country or not. If they are not in control ever since the mid 1990’s and the dominance of neo-con type strategies and politics in the United States specially with the election of George Bush at the time of George W. Bush, the United States has become much more aggressive externally and any country, any region that they do not control, they do not mind destroying them unfortunately and this is what has transpired in a number of regions whether even in countries like Somalia for example, Sudan, Libya.

Now well Iraq is one of the best examples, Afghanistan. Wherever they are not in control, they either try to occupy and if that fails they try to destroy these countries and they are trying the same in Syria.

They are not worried whether the Syrian people have democracy or not because if they were worried about democracy in Syria, they would not be backing the Saudi regime and the Qatari regime.

These are famous dictatorships, medieval dictators who oppress women and children and suppress the opposition and torture people in prison. They sent their tanks into Bahrain, to crush the people’s uprising there.

So really it is quite a naked aggression, naked type interference in the affairs of the people of the region. And the best way the people of the region can achieve democracy, can acquire full independence and so on is to determine their own future and this is precisely what the United States does not like because when the Egyptian people rebelled and went in their millions into the streets, it is they who were trying to decide their own future and they overthrew Mubarak dictatorship.

I know the Egyptian revolution has not fulfilled all its potential because of the military council there which is also backed by the United States by the way, but the Egyptian people are still struggling to have genuine democracy in the country and to stop the United States and Israel interfering in their affairs and Syrian people are aware of these developments.

Some one million Iraqis fled to Syria because of the US-led occupation of Iraq and the Syrian people saw what happened to the Iraqi people. That is why most of them are opposed to the militarization of the opposition and of the conflict in Syria.

Most of them want reform and democracy and so on but they are equally opposed to imperialism intervention and the determination of the Saudi and Qatari rulers to pump in hundreds of millions of dollars and to fund the financing of small factions of the opposition who were prepared to ally themselves to NATO and unfortunately Turkey is using Turkish lands as a base for such military intervention.

AHK/JR

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