‘Occupy London highlights corruption’

20 Occupy London activists have been arrested by bailiffs and police who forcefully dismantled their anti-capitalist camps outside St. Paul’s Cathedral, on Monday.

However, activists vow that they will continue their protests from scratch, if necessary.

Earlier, the City of London Corporation won its case at the High Court to evict the protesters and their occupation camps from the churchyard.

Occupy London protests have begun since October 15 in a bid to express opposition against capitalism, social inequality, unemployment and the gap between rich and poor.

Press TV has conducted an admirable interview with George Barda of the Occupy movement in London to further discuss the issue. The following is a transcription of the interview.

Press TV: George, welcome back to the Real Deal. Is that it, you folding your tent, packing your sleeping bag, stealing off in the night?

Barda: I think it’s unlikely. I mean, I can’t speak for the whole movement and discussions are underway as to how we respond to the imminent eviction.

I think the main feeling is that the decision was unjust. I think the judges didn’t apply the law as they should and protect what is an incredibly important movement that stands up against some increasingly dangerous patterns in our political culture.

And we think it was an unfair decision, so I think it would be wrong to seem to respect that decision by leaving of our own accord. Equally we are an utterly non-violent movement. Violence is their game and not ours.

I think, therefore, a middle ground needs to be found such as resisting with the weight of our bodies – civil rights style, hundreds of us. My personal vision is hundreds of us sitting together, and some people may decide to do slightly more confrontational things.

But I think it is important that we make a stand against the injustice of this decision.

Press TV: There’s no further legal avenues that you can pursue, is there?

Barda: There are potentially but the way this works is once you get kind of knocked out of the British justice system, you can then apply to Europe but that doesn’t have any effect on court orders in the short term. So they may well be an appeal to Europe but that won’t stay the eviction as the appeals thus far have done.

Press TV: Now you’ve been there, as I said, through the very coldest months of the year and what turned out to be an unexpectedly cold winter at least in the last few weeks. And now that the suns out and spring’s around the corner, they’re going to clear you out of your camp. It seems pretty hard to bear for those who endured and thawed these pretty difficult conditions.

Barda: For my point of view, what’s good about where we’re at now is that we have held on for four-and-a-half months. We are moving probably to a warmer period. I mean, with climate change you never know, we could have an [arctic] April. But it will get a little bit better.

Therefore, because the decision is against the tents and the bedding, not against the people, then there’s nothing to stop us from using this ancient space of democratic assembly in an ongoing way during the summer and keeping all sorts of…

Press TV: Well, that’s an interesting prospect. So you think that the law would not, at least as currently drafted, stop you sitting down on the pavement in the warmer weather?

Barda: No, the corporations’ case made very clear that it supposedly had no problem with our protesting. I think most people can read between the lines there.

Press TV: They’ll soon amend that; anyway.

Barda: Perhaps. Certainly in the position where it stands is that they have no problem with protests per se, merely the camps.

So, if the weather’s a bit warmer, it means that we can hopefully get by without the shelter that the university that we’ve had there has afforded us, and the space in front of some pools that we’ve used without cover for the last four months will still be there.

And I think it just is the most appropriate place in this country to be doing what we’re doing. It’s where the church, the banks, the city meet.

Press TV: I’ll come to the church in a minute, but tell me what it means like for you as a personal experience. You’ve felt yourself growing? You’ve watched others growing?

Barda: Absolutely. It’s been really inspiring. I think the democratic community that is embodied in that camp is something that really needs to be celebrated. And I think the Occupy movement very much reflects the fact that the problems we have at this point in history are not simple ones in terms of, you know, it’s not about getting the right to vote for a particular group of people or getting one rule changed.

It’s about understanding an interwoven system of corruption that has undermined the very basis of the economy let alone the basis of social decency going on. We’re seeing already huge, huge impacts on vulnerable communities from the cuts, and these are the austerity measures and they have barely started.

I think it is very important that we keep this conversation going, keep informing ourselves and each other, keep talking to the public including the people in the city.

One of the great things about the camp has been that a lot of people who work in the city, you know, they are agents of these institutions but a lot of them don’t identify with them, they’re just doing their job.

Press TV: They’re just workers, yeah. Now, St. Paul was a tent maker. And you were there on the steps of the temple itself reeling against – in a very polite and a very British way – the money changers across the road in the city of London. How did your relations end up with the church?

Barda: I think they’re ongoing. I think I’ve mentioned on this show before the idea of a theological fault line down the middle of the Christian Church or the Church of England, at least.

Until about 389 A.D., Christianity was a radical religion of the poor; many of its followers were murdered by the Roman Empire. In Constantine, the emperor Constantine took over the region and so it became the front for the Roman Empire and effectively can reverse what Christianity was meant to be about.

Nonetheless, those radical, progressive, compassionate revolutionary ideas still exist in the text. And there are many people in the camp, including myself, and many people in the country that really want to fight for Christianity to be a compassionate force, and very much to join up with the compassionate forces of other religions across the world.

They desperately want to oppose the blood-soaked, slavery-soaked, imperialism-soaked reality of the Christian Church over the years.

GMA/JR

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