SCHULTZ: When did this all start and who started it?
CUMMINGS: Well, first of all, you know, it started with the, uh, actually it started back in 2006, uh, when there was folks in the ATF, the Phoenix office, uh, that were, uh, in their efforts to help with, uh, you know, the war on drugs in, in Mexico. What they wanted to do was try to, uh, see where guns, when guns came out of the United States and were bought at, bought mainly in the border states and then flowed to Mexico, they wanted to see where those guns, you know, where they ended up. Well, they made a big mistake. They stopped following the guns and, uh, so basically that’s what’s called gun walking.
In other words, they were watching (them) be purchased at a, a, uh, like a, uh, gun shop and they would see people maybe buying a hundred guns at a time, they would follow ’em, follow ’em to the border. The aim was, they were supposed to follow ’em beyond that but they didn’t. So, about 2000, so then, let’s fast, fast forward. That was done under the Bush administration. There were several of these programs that were done. And then when the, uh, Obama administration came about, uh, these folks down in Phoenix were still doing this gun running, this gun walking, allowing this gun walking that happened to take place.
So, so, what happened is that, uh, eventually, uh, there was a border agent who was killed about, a little bit over a year and a half ago and his name was Brian Terry. And they found two of these guns that had bas-, walked over the border at the scene of his murder. And we’ve been trying to, our committee has taken it upon itself, to look into that. That’s the background of how this all got started.
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