He said he believed that his “strong ideology” had, however, meant
he felt little for those, like the teenagers he shot on Utoya, that he saw
as enemies.
“It is the phenomenon that can happen, the court certainly has been
informed about ‘in’ and ‘out’ groups. One group is objectified, and
demonised,” he said.
Mr Johannesen’s colleague Arnhild Flikke agreed that Breivik showed no signs
of psychosis or schizophrenia, but said that she did not believe Breivik had
deliberately invented the Knights Templar group.
“My gut feeling is that he’s met some people,” she said. “I
imagine some boys or young men have met together and mixed blood, as boys
do, made some kind of pact.”
“I’m not saying he’s come up with lies,” she added. “But he’s
come up with different versions, or different interpretations.”
Breivik said he welcomed Dr Flikke’s judgement.
“I’m glad that Dr Flicka doesn’t believe I’m mad either,” he said.
But he complained at her characterisation of him as narcissistic.
“This was a suicide operation that I had no intention to survive, and how
I was regarded after I was dead wouldn’t have made any difference,” he said.
Tomorrow the court will cross-examine the two psychiatrists who came to the
controversial conclusion in November that Breivik was psychotic and
suffering from paranoid schizophrenia, after which it will hear the authors
of a second report, which concluded that Breivik was sane and should go to
jail.
The trial continues.
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